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cas@treehouse.systemsTrying to summarise my thoughts on what it takes to build an alternative mobile OS. There's some very important and imho rarely discussed reasons why using anything that depends on AOSP is fundamentally a bad idea.
It basically boils down to culture and politics. The way Android is built and maintained is so fundamentally anti-free-software and anti-community.
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eloy@hsnl.socialI kinda want a Tor Browser but without Tor
it's the only non-Mozilla Firefox release that is somewhat trustworthy imo
https://blog.torproject.org/new-alpha-release-tor-browser-150a4/
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@tasket @bart Good luck breaking secureboot, even for the sake of research.
Typically it's all signed and sometimes even completely encrypted, so unless you manage to find some bug in the bootROM (and good luck dumping that too), you'll have a hard time signing your custom firmware so it will accept it, and if encrypted (typically would be AES), you'll also have a hard time decrypting.
Typically it's all signed and sometimes even completely encrypted, so unless you manage to find some bug in the bootROM (and good luck dumping that too), you'll have a hard time signing your custom firmware so it will accept it, and if encrypted (typically would be AES), you'll also have a hard time decrypting.
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@noisytoot @7666 @ElDeadKennedy @eloy I don't think D16 will be enough to compile Android in a timely manner.
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@bart They already realised this. The FSF is no longer the one pushing FOSS forward anymore. Except for FSF hardcore fans, mostly everyone I saw talking about the LibrePhone think it will never materialize..
And that is true, really... They're planning to take a *recent* phone (likely MT/qcom) and reverse-engineer firmware .. something which is quite impossible because of things like secure boot.. hey, in postmarketOS it's also just impossible to use newer versions of that same proprietary firmware as long as they've not been approved by the manufacturer! Unless they manage to break secureboot (which is unlikely), of course.
All in all, this has too much red flags to be considered really serious. It seems they don't really have much experience in that area, and I'm not sure they want to collab with anyone that does.
Also, android.. Why android? I mean, assuming they're as purist as they claim to be, android is going to be a nightmare to compile on the FSF-approved ThinkPad X200 and such.. they'd be also relying on Google to publish Android source code, which they have recently been not doing all that frequently, and delaying security fixes to AOSP unless deemed "critical".
And that is true, really... They're planning to take a *recent* phone (likely MT/qcom) and reverse-engineer firmware .. something which is quite impossible because of things like secure boot.. hey, in postmarketOS it's also just impossible to use newer versions of that same proprietary firmware as long as they've not been approved by the manufacturer! Unless they manage to break secureboot (which is unlikely), of course.
All in all, this has too much red flags to be considered really serious. It seems they don't really have much experience in that area, and I'm not sure they want to collab with anyone that does.
Also, android.. Why android? I mean, assuming they're as purist as they claim to be, android is going to be a nightmare to compile on the FSF-approved ThinkPad X200 and such.. they'd be also relying on Google to publish Android source code, which they have recently been not doing all that frequently, and delaying security fixes to AOSP unless deemed "critical".
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@ra1n @eloy Highly doubt. While Android is technically FOSS it is also predominantly developed by Google, so there's already a conflict of interest there.
And they won't stop there.
For example, the AOSP Dialer went unmaintained as most dev work went into Google's own proprietary Dialer app. There are many other examples of that conflict of interest, just need to find them.
And they won't stop there.
For example, the AOSP Dialer went unmaintained as most dev work went into Google's own proprietary Dialer app. There are many other examples of that conflict of interest, just need to find them.
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