@ra1n @eloy Still not what I mean

@ra1n @eloy Please see above, this is not what I mean at all.

@ElDeadKennedy @7666 @eloy I don't mean X200 is bad, hey not even my laptop can compile Android fully in a timely manner.

But still good luck compiling Android on a RYF-certified X200. (Android is huge, unnecessarily huge, requires 64GB of RAM, 300 GB of disk space, an overpowered CPU, etc. No way X200 or even my laptop can compile it)

be me
look up images of budgies
expect funny cute animals
get disgusting AI-generated images
not even duckduckgo's AI filter works

:(

@bart They already realised this. The FSF is no longer the one pushing FOSS forward anymore. Except for FSF hardcore fans, mostly everyone I saw talking about the LibrePhone think it will never materialize..

And that is true, really... They're planning to take a *recent* phone (likely MT/qcom) and reverse-engineer firmware .. something which is quite impossible because of things like secure boot.. hey, in postmarketOS it's also just impossible to use newer versions of that same proprietary firmware as long as they've not been approved by the manufacturer! Unless they manage to break secureboot (which is unlikely), of course.

All in all, this has too much red flags to be considered really serious. It seems they don't really have much experience in that area, and I'm not sure they want to collab with anyone that does.

Also, android.. Why android? I mean, assuming they're as purist as they claim to be, android is going to be a nightmare to compile on the FSF-approved ThinkPad X200 and such.. they'd be also relying on Google to publish Android source code, which they have recently been not doing all that frequently, and delaying security fixes to AOSP unless deemed "critical".

https://www.fsf.org/news/librephone-project

#FSF announces the #LibrePhone project, and sadly it's disappointing. While the intention to reverse engineer proprietary firmware is applaudable, going with Android for this and thus interfacing with the downstream kernel is a waste of time.

What good is software freedom when you're still relying on the goodwill and development of a big tech company.

#Android is dead in the water and it's time people caring about software freedom and privacy realize this.

@eloy Android is already dead in the water yes.

Even if you manage to deblob it you're still relying on Google for "freedom"... and that dependency is just getting worse as we speak.

Also good luck compiling Android on a RYF-certified ThinkPad X200

@eloy Android is already dead in the water yes.

Even if you manage to deblob it you're still relying on Google for "freedom"... and that dependency is just getting worse as we speak.

Also good luck compiling Android on a RYF-certified ThinkPad X200

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Getting ready to install Mint.

@cas but will 600 line long dockerfile blend

*will it blend theme starts playing*

@cas and it does certainly have features that make things less of a pain to deal with too

@cas well if it works it works, right? :D

systemd does seem to try to cover every usecase possible, for many they do this quite well TBH

@cas really depends on your usecases

@cas anyway sorry for the huge wall of text lol

@cas And basically I think folks should use what works best *for them*. Even if it's GNOME, even if it's KDE....

....really, you have the choice to use whatever you want

@cas But really, I as someone who uses such a sway setup, I still like KDE, GNOME, COSMIC ... even MATE... I still recognise that projects like them matter. In fact, I think having multiple unique desktop environments, with their own unique experience, matters a lot, because then you have the choice, and you can also obviously imagine that many folks could come up with new, unique UX (e.g. what we saw with GNOME 3 back in circa 2011).

And most importantly, users can have choice on which environment works best with their brain, and will let them work efficiently. For me, it is sway and tiling window managers, but before that it was .. guess what .. GNOME :)

@cas I think what 'minimalist' means depends on who you ask.

For example, I've been on sway + a handful of keybindings (which were ported from my dwl setup (which were ported from my dwm setup (which were ported from my awesomewm setup))) for a few years.. being able to launch everything I use with just a few keybindings is a major plus, and not having to mess around with window management also. It also all felt very user-friendly *to me*. So I mostly stopped using desktops like GNOME and KDE, but not out of hate. I'd still recommend these desktops to other people. I think having choice is great.

But guess what happened when I had to use a Windows 10 desktop after years of being exclusively on that setup.. I was, very confused, to say the least.

I also know of people, not all that tech-saavy, who used Linux exclusively for many years (GNOME, Cinnamon..) .. and for them, Windows is difficult and not user-friendly .. simply because they're used to the UI GNOME or Cinnamon provide.

TL;DR "user-friendlyness" is not the same across multiple different people, it can heavily depend from one person to another

@karolherbst @cas Especially a recent one with Android

@cas FSF is acting like bunch of politicians going "yes, I know computers".
Even their beloved ath9k (muh freedom!!) has firmware... because it has to. Try certifying a cellular modem without tamper protection (BootROM-enforced signature), good luck lmao.

Not gonna lie, as much as I hate Android... I jumped in my chair when I saw that LineageOS folks are working on getting it running with mainline kernels. Imagine dual-booting Linux/Android by using EFI services from U-Boot, that would be awesome.