a policy of postmarketOS is that they foster collaboration between different projects and not hating on others who try to achieve similar goals with a different approach but I wholeheartedly support an exception for the LibrePhone

FSF is doing dumb stuff, news at 11

@eloy wha

@jja2000 https://mastodon.fam-ribbers.com/@bart/115377596413986237

@eloy LOL also remember when Librem tried to get RYF?

@jja2000 yeah...

@eloy Android is already dead in the water yes.

Even if you manage to deblob it you're still relying on Google for "freedom"... and that dependency is just getting worse as we speak.

Also good luck compiling Android on a RYF-certified ThinkPad X200

@fun yeah

I think Android has some good stuff (security and UI design), but it's not feasible to reuse, gotta rebuild the good parts.

@fun @eloy sure, a phone with 70% market share (pretty much the default everywhere except the US) is "dead in the water"

@fun @eloy >Thinkpad X200

I see someone didn't grow up past /g/.

@7666 @fun @eloy still the best laptop I ever had

@fun @eloy if android is dead why does it sell more than iphone?

@silhouette @fun dead in the sense of using it as a basis for an open source project, not in the commercial sense for Google

@ElDeadKennedy @7666 @eloy I don't mean X200 is bad, hey not even my laptop can compile Android fully in a timely manner.

But still good luck compiling Android on a RYF-certified X200. (Android is huge, unnecessarily huge, requires 64GB of RAM, 300 GB of disk space, an overpowered CPU, etc. No way X200 or even my laptop can compile it)

@ra1n @eloy Please see above, this is not what I mean at all.

@fun @eloy yeah. it does need google play services for a lot

@ra1n @eloy Still not what I mean

@ra1n @eloy Detailed about this here: https://berkeley.edu.pl/notice/AzF3URsZsaqBWyGujw

@eloy @ra1n tl;dr relying on Google for a "Freedom-respecting LibrePhone" is just weird and pointless

@fun @eloy I hope that android doesn't become like iOS, where all apps have to be approved by Apple and only downloaded from their app store. You've probably read about Google trying to stop people sideloading apps soon.

I guess android still is a little ahead of iOS , but I guess it will be over eventually.

@ra1n @eloy Highly doubt. While Android is technically FOSS it is also predominantly developed by Google, so there's already a conflict of interest there.

And they won't stop there.

For example, the AOSP Dialer went unmaintained as most dev work went into Google's own proprietary Dialer app. There are many other examples of that conflict of interest, just need to find them.

@ra1n @eloy The longterm solution is to run actual mainline Linux with a mainline userspace on our phones. That way we can have control over much more.

@fun @ElDeadKennedy @7666 @eloy Technically, with enough time and swap space, you can compile anything. It's just that by the time you're finished there might already be a new Android release. (They'll probably actually use a KGPE-D16 to compile it, that's what the FSF's servers are.)

@noisytoot @7666 @ElDeadKennedy @eloy I don't think D16 will be enough to compile Android in a timely manner.

@noisytoot @7666 @ElDeadKennedy @eloy and I think they're getting rare anyway

@fun @noisytoot @7666 @ElDeadKennedy these huge setups suck the fun out of development as well. I'm happy about the direction pmOS takes