@noisytoot IMO there's no point for me in buying a computer that's as old as my current one, I may as well just keep using it (and I will, until it fully dies)

@elly @hp Now to address the things I asked that the FW16 doesn't have:

> - CD/DVD: Yeeeeah, no. You would need to order a Panasonic Let's Note from Japan to get that in the laptop these days.

I guess ... I do have an external cd/dvd drive from last decade that still works

> - Screen: 2560x1600 16:10. Absolutely awesome, but I wish there was an OLED option.

I did say max 1440p, but if it's 16:10 that's even better :D

> - RAM: Of course, upgradeable. You get 2x DDR5 SO-DIMM.

"woah ddr5 is a thing now??"

> I still wouldn't recommend going with Phoenix (1st gen FW16) due to issues with AMD's USB controller. Sometimes my USB just randomly dies, and it's not a problem with Framework itself.

Ah...... I remember someone mentioning USB issues with AMD especially when flashing amlogic stuff .. :/ will see

> - Keyboard: You can replace it by sliding two plastic tabs, pulling the touchpad assembly and lifting it out. There are multiple options available, and you can even build your own.

a dream come true (like on the mnt reform as well!)

> - GPU: You can remove dGPU and replace it with 2x M.2 modules, OcuLink (or other community-made modules), or swap/upgrade (current options are RX7700S and RTX5070 I think, for my needs iGPU is plenty fast).

Regarding the gpu I think I might just use the iGPU .. my current laptop has an nvidia card and frankly I hate it

> - CPU: Can't replace (can't think of a single laptop made in the past decade that had socketed CPU), but you can swap the mainboard with a newer version so I consider this a win.

my laptop which was manufactured in 2011 has a socketed CPU, but yeah I agree this is quite rare in the laptop world, even back then it wasn't very common

@elly @hp along with MNT Reform

@elly @hp FW16 goes in my list of promising successors to my old HP elitebook

@noisytoot T440p is about as old as my computer

@hp @elly I'd absolutely love free firmware, but seeing how rare that is it's more of a "nice to have" than a "requirement", so to speak

@pocketvj MNT Reform is definitely on my radar :D

@hp I think it's an x86_64 laptop and also I'm not sure about its coreboot/open firmware support (though I'll admit I haven't mentioned that)

but yeah, seems quite close to what I want. @elly I know you have one, what's your experience with it? (also to you, if you have one)

and I forgot:

- replaceable SSD (M.2 or SATA)

@elly > I have to say thought that having workstation-grade hardware with me no matter where I am is a huge benefit though. I can just whip out a USB-C charger, plug it into the wall and code/compile without worrying about unstable internet connection. I should get an OcuLink expansion card so I can hook up PCIe devices to it without messing with thunderbolt (Gen4 x8).

this is where laptops really shine IMO, I can plug it in to my 2-3 monitors and use it as a desktop computer, and then when I need to go outside I can take my laptop with me along with its charger and just use it that way too.

A long while ago I used to have a desktop *and* a laptop, but then I realized I'm terrible at managing multiple computers so I went back to one laptop. And that's nice, also because I can just start something at home and then take my laptop and get back to where I was.

my next laptop should preferably be aarch64 btw, or maybe loongarch64 if that's available. I don't want to mess with x86_64 anymore.

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Basically I want something reliable for many years to come, so I don't have to buy a new laptop every 2 years or something .. money isn't infinite, and earth resources also aren't either

Ok to be clear what I want and expect from a good laptop:

- CPU: replaceable
- GPU: replaceable
- (important) RAM: replaceable
- Hinges: not so fragile they break after 3 years
- keyboard: replaceable easily, and solid
- screen: at least 1080p, at most 1440p, replaceable
- (optionally) cd/dvd drive (yes I still use CDs and DVDs in 2025)
- not too thick, but wouldn't mind too much
- reasonable weight, I still want my back for a few more years
- doesn't explicitly lock you out
- decent mainline linux support

@noisytoot by making it 6d instead of 3d

@elly FWIW my laptop is extremely thick and extremely bulky, but I had to carry way more before

@elly I don't carry around my computer at all times thankfully. But I think one could make a laptop that's repairable, while still not being too heavy

I miss laptops that last

everyone: oh look at my shiny computer it's so thin I can put it in my backpack and go to whynot2028 with it in 2025!
me: *still using a 15 year old laptop in 2025*

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