if there is any doubt that we should move off github, let this shatter your doubt

we all need to move away asap

maybe to codeberg? it’s pretty great

@lumi a “programming language for agents” is such a dumb concept imo

said agents will have never seen anything written in said programming language in their training data and therefore will not be able to write in said language

of course if your project is some genai bs. stay on github

codeberg should be the genai-free forge

@kemona_halftau @lumi out of curiosity, fae checked what this is, because, this sounds stupid

,,, it’s even more stupider than fae assumed at first

like for instance, one of design goals is as follows

Regularity over syntax: prefer one obvious way to express most things, even when that makes code more explicit than a human might choose in another language.

the language encourages writing verbose code, the problem however with that is that llms have a context window which means the more code there is, the worse they are

the language itself seems to be heavily inspired by zig (even if they didn’t explicitly state that anywhere), which,,, is also quite a choice, wasn’t llms behaving poorly with zig the reason why bun rewrote its code from zig to rust

it’s not a memory safe language either, which, is another choice to make,,, the code generated by llms is garbage, and they are certainly not helping llms generate code by making the language not safe, where the code that is outright wrong may still work, returning wrong results

frankly looking through the language, fae isn’t sure what exactly makes this language “agent-first”

@sugar @lumi lol

@kemona_halftau @lumi also, yeah, the thing about it being a programming language for agents is stupid

what llms do best is plagiarism, but for a completely new programming language, there is nothing to plagiarise

it’s very likely the only human written code in a language like this will be examples provided in language repo (if they were even written by a human), which is very little for training llm models

everything else would be written by llms, which is pretty much asking for model collapse

@sugar @lumi @kemona_halftau I thought the reason they rewrote bun to rust was that zig refused to accept their slop PRs?

anyway, this code is completely unreadable: https://github.com/vercel-labs/zero/blob/dbe552787bd1079f740296aed3d7f3b53f3f4e81/compiler-zero/src/wasm.0

what makes it "agent-first" seems to be that no human would ever want to touch this

@noisytoot @sugar @kemona_halftau the heck are those if waterfalls, ew

@lumi Initially I moved to Codeberg but had huuuuge uptime problems. Then I moved back to GitHub because I wanted better uptime, and have found huuuuge uptime problems AND sloppification. So I'm planning to move back to codeberg

@lumi Also the vscode “bug” that added copilot as a contributer for every commit

@ahhhhhhoniichan @lumi Time for people to learn that #MicrosoftSucks and all their products should be avoided like the computer plague that they are.

@lwriemen @ahhhhhhoniichan microslop