are there any good and reliable email providers?

considering fastmail right now, it seems very reasonable and cheap, which i'm a fan of. if anybody knows anything better or something bad about fastmail then lmk

dealbreakers of other providers:
- tuta, because of abhorrent barely styleable webapp and no imap+smtp access
- proton, because of shadiness and trump supporting ceo, also stupid ai, also no imap+smtp unless you pay for a yucky bridge relay app
- gmail, icloud, m$, yahoo etc etc. big tech trash. never ever
- mailbox.org allegedly bounces spam instead of moving it into a spam folder?
- purelymail is american (and small) and concerns me with long-term reliability

@Lilith i've heard okay things about fastmail, their DMARC reports have a nice summary, and they haven't ever sent me spam

also, obligatory: i've been hosting a mail server since 2019, mail arrives to inbox everywhere but microsoft (hotmail, o365) because m$ SUCKS. I can host shit for you if you'd like

@domi @Lilith Somehow my stuff seems to reach everywhere so far, I guess I rolled a good IP or something as I doubt M$ loves stuff like OpenSMTPd or mutt.

But well for stuff like gmail/M$/… I'm not even sure your stuff would get received even with a big provider since even normal people seem to be somewhat aware of the "Check your spam folder" kind of stuff. (Sometimes they're wrong in a funny way, a secretary once asked me if I was sure I could receive their emails, the one thing I'm sure of, lol)

@lanodan @Lilith i’m sending from a fresh IP (as far as i know i’m the first user, xoxo bgp.wtf), i’ve filled the allowlist form multiple times, and there’s still no difference. idek anymore

@domi @Lilith Well M$ is too cheap for IPv6 so it's likely a recycled IPv4 given it's exhaustion.

Meanwhile mine's on Hetzner which makes no sense since cloud stuff tend to be spammy.

@lanodan @Lilith no no, i meant fresh IPv4. i’m aware that those are a rare specimen, but I’ve looked around and couldn’t find anyone using 185.236.240.130 before me. bgp.wtf had them since 2017, those were one of the last blocks to be assigned, and AFAIK i’ve been the first to use the ranges I rent :3

@domi woahh that's really nice. i really appreciate that (and email hosted by you would be lovely). though since i intend to replace my main email i'd need something that's 24/7 available for communication with bank, insurance, school, coworkers etc. including aliases and admined by multiple people (company?) in case anything happens so as to not have to suddenly switch providers and update every one of my accounts everywhere i suppose

@Lilith i don’t have good stats for uptime but it’s pretty damn high, and i have a bunch of people ready to mitigate problems if they arise :p

i think the only “uptime graph” that i have for this server is https://fediverse.observer/donotsta.re - and that’s not 100% accurate, some of those were partial network outages in the internet, not actual outages of my infra

regardless, up to you, i’m not trying to force sell you on anything XD

@Lilith what about forwardemail.net? seems pretty good to me since their (entire?) stack is even “open” (BUSL but apparently under MIT after a few years) and open to self hosting

@me pretty ambiguous name that's still confusing me whether it's an actual email provider or some kind of weird forwarding service, then i check their faq page and i'm slapped with what seems to be an ai slop image... i'm gonna go with a "no" on that one

@Lilith aw hell nah that wasn’t there last time I checked😭

@me slop all over their about page too

@domi you can see uptime improving after you replaced that shitty asrock mainboard

@Lilith migadu?

@Lilith I used to use disroot.org but now I self-host OpenSMTPd

@lanodan @Lilith @domi It's weird that outlook.com doesn't have IPv6 but custom domains using outlook's mail service (e.g. uib.no which uses uib-no.mail.protection.outlook.com) do