I may need to unfollow the postmarketOS hashtag due to a weird flood of negative doom posting about it not being ready to fully replace Android yet. I know people are worried about Android locking down app development and such, but don't take that out on one of the few projects trying to remove Google and Apple's dualopoly :( Complaining can't make development faster.

@justsoup I think it’s largely forgotten that postmarketOS itself is a wildly ambitious project. Taking every currently existing mobile device, past and present, and porting native mainline Linux to it will take a long ass time because it’s an honestly insane project, and doesn’t have the resources that even other projects like lineageOS has.
The work the community has done to this point is incredibly impressive, even with the unreasonable timeline pushed for software sovereignty asked by the people who are distraught by Google’s impending blast to the foot for Android.

@justsoup

I wouldn't want #postmarketos to be an Android replacement ...

Android is not better as a phone ... it is mainly a content consumption platform (media/apps) and is becoming a portal to your AI overlord

A postmarketos phone is first a linux machine that fits in your pocket and that can also make calls ...

As a "linux box in your pocket" android is really far from what you can achieve with #sxmo for instance ! They have a lot to catch up

@justsoup I'm very sorry to hear that you're feeling this way. But let's remember: We are doing our thing, and we are doing it at our pace. We keep growing as a project and as a the Mobile Linux community, we keep going over milestones, sometimes blazingly fast, sometimes doing a lot of weird curves. But always towards sustainable long-term support and user power. If we are not ready for them, that's fine, we can continue on our path. The difference between the people discovering #postmarketOS #Mobian #Phosh or whatever other Linux Mobile project now and complaining, and those of us that invested so much time on it, is that we know the history.

10 years ago people that discovered the project complained that a 10-year lifecycle for phones was impossible. Then they complained that "what about phone calls". Then they complained that mainline was a waste of time, nobody could ever convince vendors or reverse-engineer things on time. Then and still today, they complained that "what about cameras". And now people complain about actually and *for-real* replacing Android, and that "what about card payments". But every time the goal posts were moved, the Linux Mobile community had remarkably grown on size. Newcomers and outsiders will keep moving the goal posts. But we will keep moving forward, and getting more and more people to join us in our path.

@pabloyoyoista @justsoup yes, linux mobile has grown into something I'm honestly very impressed by. It went from "oh yay you can run linux and weston and ssh to your phone! Can you believe it!!!" into something that, dare I say, is already considered daily driver-ready by many. We are still not quite there with replacing Android, but I am convinced we can do it, one byte at a time.

@justsoup i can see it both ways. it may get tiring hearing all the negativity. but i think we are communicating well that pmOS is not end user ready. so i think the complaints are coming from “hey let’s improve this” rather than knocking on the devs

try not to take it too personally :). i think we all are wanting the best for pmOS. i think the yearly pmOS meetup (if it does become yearly) will hopefully be a positive experience. hard to get positive vibes online

@justsoup its also best to think long term

- OS’es aren’t profitable. they are loss leaders that bring customers to an ecosystem
- due to the capitalist need of making a profit out of everything, android/iOS will make features that customers dont want
- customers will eventually look for alternatives
- pmOS doesnt have a capitalist incentive. we just want an OS that works for the user

long term, linux mobile will be successful, just how desktop linux is seeing that shift today :)

@justsoup another one:

- google will eventually start charging vendors more to install android to fund their development
- vendors will get tired of android’s outrageous prices and either fork aosp or look elsewhere
- google will close down aosp
- eventually vendors will realize mobile linux is a thing

this is why the partnership with senderolinux is so important. we should prioritize in partnering with more. so when the time comes, we’re prepared to onboard manufacturers directly